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'''You can easily earn loyalty points from hotel credit cards, promotions, and actual hotel stays, and use these points for free hotel stays'''. Unlike frequent flyer programs, availability is not an issue. If there is a standard room available, you can book it with your points.
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Chase has some of the best travel and reward credit cards available. However, they have an approval policy that can make it hard to get many of these cards.  
  
'''Many hotel credit cards also provide access to "free night certificates" that you can use, instead of points, for free hotel nights'''.  
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Chase won't approve your credit card application, regardless of your credit score or income, if you’ve already signed up for 5 new credit cards, during the last 24 months.
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Several of these strategies involve signing up for hotel credit cards. Unless you have a problem with credit, signing up for credit cards, just to receive their travel benefits, can make a lot of sense. It won't kill your credit rating—it is more likely to improve it. For more information, see our {{Link|Credit Cards 101}} guide.
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They don’t just count cards you received from Chase. They count all the (personal) cards you’ve received from any credit card company, and even include cards for which you were simply added as an authorized user. This is widely referred to as the Chase “5/24” rule.  
  
 
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*[[#Because of the Chase 5/24 rule, you need to get certain Chase cards first|You need to get certain Chase cards first]]
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=== Hotel reward programs: the very basics ===
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=== Because of the Chase 5/24 rule, you need to get certain Chase cards first ===
  
If you are truly a newbie to the world of hotel loyalty programs, there are a few things that you need to know.  
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If you are following our advice, you are about to start applying for a set of new credit cards—to take advantage of their travel benefits, signup bonuses, and/or reward-earning rates. Once you hit the 5 card limit, you won’t be able to be approved for any of the Chase cards that are affected by the “5/24” rule.  
  
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As a result, we recommend that everyone sign up for these Chase cards first, and only after hitting the limit, continue on to other cards.
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<li>'''You might not immediately recognize the names of a couple of the largest hotel programs'''. The largest hotel company in the world is called the “Intercontinental Hotel Group” or “IHG”. They are the parent company of Holiday Inn, Crowne Plaza, and a few other companies; but are named after their high-end Intercontinental brand. The Marriott program encompasses dozens of hotel brands that you might not associate with Marriott.</li>
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For example, if you’ve gotten two new cards in the past two years, you’ve still got room for three of the Chase cards that are affected by this rule. If you haven’t signed up for any new cards, you’ve got room for five. Keep in mind, that you can only apply for two of these cards in any 30-day period, but you will probably want to go slower than that.  
  
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Once you’ve hit the 5 card limit, double-check to see if you have any cards that you acquired nearly two years ago. If you do, you can wait a couple of months, get back under the 5 card limit, and apply for an additional affected card(s). If you want to know the exact number of newer cards you have on record, you can {{Link|Credit Score|check your credit report}}.
  
<li>'''You can earn and redeem points with any of the program's brands'''. For example, you can use Marriott points to stay at Westins or Delta Resorts, and not just at Marriott hotels.</li>
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=== Our recommended strategy ===
  
<li>'''Some hotel points are much more valuable than others'''. Different hotel loyalty programs require very different amounts of points for free hotel night. For example, for a roughly equivalent hotel, Hyatt might require 12,000, Marriott might require 30,000, and Hilton might require 40,000 points. The expected value of different hotel points ranges from a low of about .4 cents per point, to a high of 1.75 cents per point. {{Link|Hotel Point Values}}</li>
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We can’t stress this enough: The Chase cards have such good signup offers (and in many cases, ongoing benefits), that you don’t want to unnecessarily lose the opportunity to obtain them. Before you get any almost any other non-business credit cards, you should get as many of the affected Chase cards as you can. The only exception is you really want another card, such as the {{Card|Altitude|only}} or {{Card|Venture|only}} that is very hard to get once you've started signing up for other cards.
  
This is very different from the world of frequent flyer miles, where most airlines charge roughly the same number of miles for the same type of flights.  
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According to current rumors, Chase is planning to eventually apply the 5/24 rule to all of their credit cards (not just the card that are currently affected by the rule). As more cards are affected, the prioritization of which cards to get will change. We will update this guide as the list of affected cards changes.
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<li>'''Each hotel program has an award chart where the number of required points is based on the “category” of the hotel'''. For example, Hyatt currently has seven categories of hotels ranging from 5,500 to 30,000 points per night. Hotel programs generally keep the point costs for each category constant, but periodically move the hotels from one category to another. A hotel that was in category 5 one year, might be in category 6 the next. As you might expect, many more hotels move to more expensive categories than move into less expensive categories, so a typical hotel award night has gradually required more points.</li>
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==== Step 1: Apply for any “critical” Chase 5/24 cards ====
  
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The 5/24 rule doesn’t affect every Chase card. However, it affects most of their more attractive cards, specifically all their Ultimate Rewards (Sapphire, Freedom, Ink), Southwest Airlines, and United Airlines cards, and the personal version of their Marriott card.  
  
<li>'''If there are rooms available, you can almost always use your points'''. Unlike frequent flyer programs, hotel programs generally don't limit the number of rooms they make available for award redemptions. If they still have rooms available, you can almost always book them with your points. However, this only applies to regular rooms. If the only thing left are deluxe rooms, junior suites, etc., you may not be able to book an award night, or you may have to use a higher number of points.</li>
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You almost certainly want to make more than one of these cards part of your core credit card collection. While we’d love to be able to just tell you which of these cards to make sure to get, the right answer for each person can be different, based on the way you travel.  
  
Occasionally, a specific hotel will have very few rooms that are considered "standard", with most of their rooms being considered to be special "view" rooms. This can make it nearly impossible to use your points.
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<li>'''Marriott and Starwood have merged'''. They unified their reward programs in August of 2018.</li>
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'''If you want to get the Southwest Companion Pass, you need to prioritize signing up for (ideally two) Southwest Airline card(s)'''. Depending on your travel patterns, the Southwest Companion Pass can be the most lucrative deal in travel hacking. It allows a second person to fly for free, on every paid and every award flight on Southwest Airlines. You can use it as many times as you like. If you are a couple, with the inclination and time to frequently jet around the country, getting the pass lets you travel at essentially half-price. On the other hand, many other travelers can’t get that much value from the pass, either because they frequently fly by themselves, or don’t have an opportunity to fly on Southwest very often.
<li>'''You'll usually receive any membership perks when you book an award room'''. For example, if you are entitled to free breakfast at Hilton hotels, you'll receive this benefit, even when you are using points to book your room. With most programs, you'll even receive credit towards higher-level elite status.</li>
 
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=== <span id="Credit Card Points">Getting points to use for award nights</span> ===
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For many people, the only realistic way to get the pass is by signing up for (ideally two) Southwest Airlines credit cards. Signup bonuses can vary, but are typically around 40-60,000 points. If you apply for two cards, and earn their signup bonuses, you’ll be near (or over) the number of points that entitles you to the pass. You’ll also be earning points worth around $3,200 of Southwest Airline flights—$1,600 for you to buy tickets, with $1,600 worth of free tickets for your companion. {{Link|Companion Pass}}.
  
Unless you travel a lot for work, you probably aren’t going to earn very many points through actual hotel stays. Sophisticated travel hackers can sometimes take advantage of loyalty program promotions to earn larger than normal amounts of points on their paid stays. But for most people, it takes a long time to earn enough points to be able to redeem a free night the normal way.  
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If you want to pursue this strategy, you (or your partner) need to have room for a Chase 5/24 card. You are only supposed to be able to have one of the personal versions of the Southwest Airlines card at any one time (and only earn one signup bonus every two years). As a result, the easiest approach, if you qualify, is to signup for the business version of the card, and then one of the personal versions. However, some people have reported being able to sign up for two different personal versions of the Southwest card on the same day, and earning the signup bonuses from both cards. A third, and less desirable option, is to only sign up for only one card, and try to earn the rest of the points in other ways. All three approaches only require a single Chase 5/24 slot.  
  
So how do you earn enough points to able to get multiple free hotel nights every year?
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'''If you frequently fly United, you’ll want to make sure to get the United card, to get access to free checked bags and other benefits'''. If you fly on United a lot, and you check bags, you can save some serious cash by getting and keeping the United credit card—it lets you and a companion avoid the fee on your first checked bag.  It is also useful for people who frequently fly United, because cardholders get increased availability for both “anytime” and “saver” award redemptions.
  
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'''If you are entitled to a small business card, you probably want to get one or both of the Ink Preferred and Ink Cash cards'''. If you have any size business, you are entitled to sign up for small business cards, as well as personal cards. This is true even if you have another full-time job, or haven’t made any money yet. Chase offers some of the best options. The Ink Preferred card earns 3x points on travel, shipping, telecom services, and advertising. When used alongside a Sapphire or Ink Preferred card, the Ink Cash card earns 5x points on telecom services and office supply stores. {{Link|Business Cards}}.
  
<li>'''Most of your free nights are likely to come from signing up for credit cards'''. Each time you sign up for a card, you’ll generally receive enough points for 1-3 nights at a high-end hotel, or up to dozen (or more) nights at a less expensive option. A few credit cards provide free night certificates instead of hotel points.</li>
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The good news here, is that while you can't get these cards if you are above the 5/24 limit, getting either or both these cards doesn't block your ability to get additional affected cards, because (as business cards) they don't count against the limit of five cards. But, you still need to make sure to apply for these before you hit the 5/24 limit.
  
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'''Almost everyone should get the Sapphire Reserve and one of the Chase Unlimited cards, to earn the highest reward rates on much of their spending'''. These cards work together to earn the most valuable rewards on travel and restaurant spending, and for any spending that doesn’t fit into a bonus category. Most people will want the Freedom Unlimited card. But, if you are entitled to business cards, and willing to use one for your everyday spending, the Ink Unlimited card is the better option, and won't take up an additional slot. {{Link|general purpose}}.
  
<li>'''Unless you have a problem with handling credit, signing up for credit cards just to collect signup bonuses is a sensible thing to do'''. It won’t kill your credit rating—in fact, it is more likely to improve it. {{Link|Credit Cards 101}}.</li>
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'''You’ll also get valuable travel benefits from the Sapphire Reserve card''', like airport lounge access and primary rental car insurance. {{Link|premium cards}}
<li>'''You can sign up for multiple of these cards over the next few years, and take advantage of dozens of free hotel nights'''. In this table, you can see how many free nights you can expect to get from the typical signup bonus of each card. {{Link|signup intro}}</li>
 
  
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If you have room for these two cards, you should almost certainly get them before moving on.
  
<li>'''Free Hyatt hotel nights are a good use of your Chase Ultimate Reward points'''. Another way to get more hotel points is to earn Chase Ultimate Reward points, and convert them into Hyatt points. Each Ultimate Reward point coverts into one Hyatt point, which you can then use for free Hyatt hotel rooms</li>
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'''The Chase “Freedom” card is interesting, but you are probably better off getting another card instead'''. The “Freedom” card is a different card than the “Freedom Unlimited”. It earns 5x points on purchases made in a set of categories that change every quarter; which is an incredible earning rate, since the points are worth around {{Value|ur}} cents each. These rewards, however, are capped at $1,500 of spending per quarter, so you can earn up to 30,000 points per year. It can take a bit of effort to use this card effectively, and you are probably better off just signing up for different Chase card instead, and just collecting the signup bonus. Then, you can always convert that card to a Freedom card later. {{Link|Rotating Category}}.
  
Ultimate Rewards is a program operated by Chase for a several of its credit cards, and is probably the best credit card based loyalty program. We strongly recommend signing up for their cards, and using them for your credit card spending, to earn large quantities of Ultimate Reward points. The points can then be converted into different types of frequent flyer miles to redeem free airplane tickets, or they can be used (like cash) to pay for any type of travel. But, one of the best ways to get good value from your Ultimate Reward points is to convert them to Hyatt points, and use them for free hotel rooms. {{Link|Ultimate Rewards}}.
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'''If you really want to maximize the number of Marriott / SPG free night certificates each year, you'll want to prioritize the Marriott card'''. Every year, after your anniversary, it provides a certificate that can be used for room nights that would cost 35,000 points per night. However, you can get these certificates from several other cards that wouldn't take up a Chase 5/24 slot, such as the SPG card, SPG business card, SPG luxury card, and Marriott business card. But, if you want to maximize the number of certificates you earn each year, you would want this card as well. In general, we would recommend using your slots for likely more valuable other options.  
  
<li>'''Other than using Ultimate Rewards points for Hyatt redemptions, it rarely makes sense to transfer flexible credit card points to hotel programs'''. Amex operates a loyalty program called Membership Rewards, and Citibank operates a program called ThankYou points. Both programs allow you to transfer your points into various hotel programs to redeem for free hotel nights. However, the value you get when you do so, is lower than you can typically receive using these points in other ways. You can also transfer your Ultimate Reward points to hotel partners other than Hyatt, but these other options typically aren’t worthwhile. {{Link|Transferable Points}}.</li>
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<li>'''Using the “Cash & Points trick” you can purchase IHG and Choice points at good enough prices that they are always interesting award options'''. Every hotel program allows you to purchase additional points, rather than earning them. However, the rate for buying hotel points is normally too expensive to be worthwhile. But, with both IGH and Choice, you can take advantage of the “Cash & Points” trick to purchase last-minute points at lower-than-normal rates. While buying points to use for an award isn’t really a free night, it essentially allows you to purchase rooms at what is often a significant discount.</li>
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This will typically add up to 1-4 personal cards, and potentially a bunch of Chase business cards.
  
For example, you can purchase IHG points for {{Value|ihgcash}} cents each (and sometimes less). If you are interested in staying at a Holiday Inn that costs 15,000 points per night, the required points would cost around {{Value|ihgcash|15000}}. This might be significantly cheaper than the normal price for the room. {{Link|cash & points trick}}.
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<li>'''It can make sense to purchase hotel points when they are running good promotions'''. While the normal purchase prices are too expensive, hotel companies sometimes have sales where you receive bonus points for every purchase. Sometimes, this bonus rates can be as high as 100%, meaning that you’ll get double the normal number of points. When they are running a particularly good sale, it can make sense to purchase points and have them on-hand for future redemptions. {{Link|Hotel Point Purchase Promotions}}.</li></ul>
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After you get any of the affected Chase cards, that you want to make a part of your core credit card collection, you will often be out of space for any additional Chase “5/24” cards. However, if you do have some space leftover, you should apply for whichever of the remaining affected Chase cards have the best signup offers. If you start signing up for other cards instead, you won’t be able to go back, and get these excellent signup bonuses later.  
  
=== Seeing which award hotels are located at your destination===
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This list shows the “normal” signup bonuses for each card. Promotions are sometimes available, which may temporarily make one of the cards a more attractive option. {{Link|Promotional Offers}}.
  
Usually the first step for using your hotel points is to determine which hotels are available where you are travelling, and how many points they cost per night. Remember that you can book hotels that belong to any of the hotel programs where you have a point balance.
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In addition, you can always book IHG and Choice hotels, by taking advantage of the opportunity to purchase reasonably priced last-minute points. And, if you have Ultimate Reward points, you can often get value on Hyatt hotels as well.
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'''Ink Preferred: 80,000 Ultimate Reward points'''. This is the most valuable standard signup offer available from Chase. If you qualify for a small-business card, it should be your first choice after getting your must-have Chase cards, even if you don’t value its extra benefits. Requires $5,000 initial spend (over 3 months). $95 annual fee.  
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Unfortunately, there are no longer any really good tools for finding all of the chain hotels at your destination. There are several different options, but each has their flaws. {{Link|finding hotels}}
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'''Ink Unlimited: 50,000 Ultimate Reward points'''. Chase advertises the signup bonus as $500, but you'll actually receive 50,000 Ultimate Reward points. If you have the Sapphire Reserve, Sapphire Preferred, or Ink Preferred card, you can transfer these points to airline and hotel partners, or get more than 1 cent per point when you use them to purchase travel through Chase. Requires $3,000 initial spend. No annual fee.  
  
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'''Sapphire Preferred: 50,000 Ultimate Reward points'''. This is the best pure signup bonus from any of their personal cards. Unlike the Sapphire Reserve, there is no first-year annual fee, and you can get an extra 5,000 points by adding an authorized cardholder.
  
<li>'''For now, the only truly reliable approach is to individually search each hotel program's website'''. [//www.marriott.com/search/default.mi Marriott], [//hiltonhonors3.hilton.com/en/index.html Hilton], [//www.ihg.com/hotels/us/en/reservation IHG], [//www.hyatt.com/ Hyatt], [//www.choicehotels.com/ Choice], [//www.wyndhamhotels.com/wyndham-rewards Wyndham], [//www.accorhotels.com/gb/usa/index.shtml Club Accor], [//www.bestwestern.com/en_US.html Best Western].  {{Link|Hotel Program List}}.</li>
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However, you can no longer have both this card and the Sapphire Reserve at the same time, so if you wanted the Sapphire Reserve for its ongoing benefits, you'll need to pass on the Sapphire Preferred's signup bonus.  
  
<li>'''[//wandr.me/hotel-tools/hotel-hustle/ Hotel Hustle]'''. Hotel Hustle searches across all the major hotel programs, rather than requiring you to search them one-by-one. Unfortunately, it is annoying slow, and often doesn't display the point cost for many of the hotel programs. So, you can use it to see what hotels exist, but you can't quickly see how many points they would cost.</li>
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50,000 Ultimate Reward points are worth $600-750 when redeemed like cash, $750-1000 (or more) when redeemed for hotels, and potentially much more when redeemed for flights. To earn the bonus, you'll need to spend $4,000 in the first three months.  
  
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'''Sapphire Reserve: 50,000 Ultimate Reward points'''. Since you can't collect the signup bonuses from both Sapphire cards, if you want the added benefits of the Sapphire Reserve card, you'll need to "settle" for only 50,000 points, rather than getting some additional points, with a lower out-of-pocket expense with the Sapphire Preferred card. That said, some people have reported that if you sign up for both the Sapphire Reserve and the Sapphire Preferred on the same day, you can get approved for both cards, and earn both signup bonuses.
  
<li>'''[//awardmapper.com Award Mapper]'''. Award Mapper does a great job of showing most of the possible award hotels on a map. You can even continuously move the map to see all of the hotels in any area. Unfortunately, its database of hotels is out-of-date, so you won't see all of your options. And, for hotel programs that have variable point costs (such as Hilton and Marriott), it will only show you the point range, and not the actual points cost.</li>
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'''Southwest Business: 60,000 Southwest Airlines points'''. These points are valued at {{Value|southwest|60000}}. $3,000 initial spending requirement. $99 annual fee.  
  
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'''Marriott: 100,000 Marriott points'''. These points are valued at {{Value|Marriott|100000}} and can easily be used for Marriott / SPG hotel rooms or converted into up to 41,666 airline miles with a larger number of different frequent flyer programs. $3,000 initial spending requirement in the first 3 months. $95 annual fee. If you qualify for small business cards, you can get the business version of this card, without taking up one of your slots. But since the business version isn't affected by the Chase 5/24 rule, you could get it later, as well.
  
<li>'''[//www.yeekapp.com Yeek]'''. Yeek is quick, up-to-date, and allows you to easily compare the point cost to the "best available" cash rate. Unfortunately, it only supports Marriott, Hilton, IHG, and Hyatt, doesn't provide a map view, and is buggy. For example, it starts out in Chinese, and when you switch to English in the menu, the text doesn't change until after you do your first search. And even then, calendar months are still displayed only in Chinese.</li>
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'''Southwest Personal: 40,000 Southwest points'''. If you fly Southwest periodically, this works out to about $600 towards flight purchases. The Plus card is a better deal with a $69 annual fee, versus $99, and the same $1,000 initial spending requirement (in first 3 months). Like the Sapphire cards, you are only supposed to have one of the personal Southwest airlines cards at a time, and can only earn one bonus every 24 months. However, some people have reported being able to sign up for both cards in the same day, and earn both signup bonuses.  
<li>'''[//preferredhotels.com/destinations?search=top-nav Preferred Hotels & Resorts]'''. You can use Choice hotel points to book rooms at many of the hotels in the Preferred Hotel & Resorts program. If you are looking for a luxury hotel, make sure to check the Preferred Hotel directory. These hotels won’t show up in the other tools. {{Link|choice preferred}}.</li></ul>
 
  
=== Tips for getting good value from your award points ===
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'''United Explorer: 40,000 United miles'''. You can use these on a variety of partner airlines, even if you don’t fly United. So, they are more flexible than Southwest Points, but you will need to find available awards space first You need to spend $1,000 in the first 3 months. The annual fee is $95, but it is waived the first year, and if you are only getting it for the signup bonus, you won’t keep it longer than that. If you qualify for small business cards, you can get the business version of this card, without taking up one of your slots. (But, once you hit the limit, you won't get approved for the business version of the card.) 
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You’ve been building up loyalty points through a combination of credit-card signup bonuses, hotel promotions, shopping portals, and hotel stays. Now, it’s time to travel. How do you best use your points to get free hotel rooms?
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After you’ve hit the limit for your Chase “5/24 cards”, you are ready to get any unaffected cards, from Chase or other credit card companies, that you want to make part of your core credit card collection.
  
<li>'''Point-based stays are most valuable during periods of top demand, such as during festivals and events, ski season, or school breaks'''. The number of points that you need to redeem for a hotel are based on the normal rates for the hotel—the more expensive the hotel or destination, the more points you need. While some programs require more points during “high season”, award rates don’t fluctuate as much as regular room rates do. As a result, your most lucrative redemptions are going to be when you need to visit a destination when the hotel rates are high—during ski season, school breaks, special events, holidays, and peak travel season.</li>
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The only exception would be for a potential travel benefit that is extremely valuable to you. For example, if you could save hundreds of dollars with the Citi Prestige's 4<sup>th</sup> night free benefit, by getting the card earlier, it may be worth missing out on one of your potential Chase 5/24 slots. You have to trade off the value of having access to the benefit, while you are still under the 5/24 limit, versus the value of being able to get an additional valuable Chase card or signup bonus.  
  
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Then, you can continue to get additional cards, just to take advantage of their signup bonuses. {{Link|Best Offers}}.
<li>'''You are sometimes better off taking advantage of a cash and point redemption (when you can)'''. Most hotel loyalty programs allow you to use "cash and points" awards, which require fewer points, if you pay a cash surcharge. Unless you earn so many points that you can book award rooms every time you travel, you are going to make a combination of award and paid reservations over the course of the year. You’ll sometimes get more value by taking advantage of cash and points redemptions to spread your points across more nights.</li>
 
  
Cash and Points awards are usually a good deal for Category 2-6 Hyatt hotels, expensive IHG hotels (whenever you have the option of saving 20,000 points), all Choice hotels, and some Wyndham hotels. They are almost never a good option at Marriott or Hilton hotels. {{Link|Cash and Points}}.  
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While many of Chase's best cards are affected by the Chase 5/24 cards, some of its other cards, such as the Hyatt, IHG, and British Airways cards, are not. As a result, you can sign up for these other cards after you've hit the 5/24 limit.  
  
<li>'''Marriott and Hilton give you your 5<sup>th</sup> night free on award stays'''. Four nights worth of points will get you a five-night stay. For Hilton, you need to have at least Silver elite status to take advantage of this benefit.</li>
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However, if you've been signing up for lots of cards in a relatively short period of time (across all of the credit card companies), in order to collect a lot of signup bonuses, there is some risk in trying to sign up for one of these other Chase cards. As part of processing your application, there is a small risk that Chase will decide that your large number of new cards and/or inquiries makes you a risk, and they will cancel all of your existing cards. This hasn't happened to many people, but it has happened to some.  
  
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To play it safe, if you want a couple of these cards, get them before you've signed up for many other cards, and don't try to sign up for every possible Chase card as fast as you can. Then, don't apply for new Chase cards, unless you wind up slowing down your credit card applications in the future.
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<li>'''IHG credit cardholders get their 4<sup>th</sup> night free on award reservations'''. This is an even better deal than Marriott, Starwood, and Hilton, but requires that you have the IHG Premier or Traveler cards (cardholders of the now discontinued regular IHG card are not eligible). The IHG Premier card costs $89 per year, but comes with a free hotel certificate, automatic Platinum elite status, and several other useful benefits.</li>
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If you qualify for a Southwest companion pass, by signing up for your Southwest Airline cards towards the beginning of the year, you will have access to the pass for almost two years. The pass is good till the end of the year following when you qualify for it. When the pass expires, you are going to want to re-qualify. But to do that, you’ll need to be under the Chase 5/24 limit, so that you can reapply for the cards.  
<li>'''Consider staying on the outskirts of cities, or by the airport'''. The required number of points for a typical hotel are usually much lower outside the city center. If you are sightseeing by car anyway, in may not make a big difference on your trip, and you’ll usually save even more money by avoiding the need to pay for expensive overnight parking. For example, the Westin Riverwalk costs 12,000 Starpoints a night, but the Four Points by Sheraton San Antonio Airport only costs 3,000 points on a weekend night, and still gets a 4.5 rating on Trip Advisor. The San Antonio Marriot Riverwalk is 35,000 Marriot points per night, but the TownPlace Suites San Antonio Northwest is only 10,000 points.</li>
 
  
<li>'''You can often spend a small amount of additional points to get a junior suite, club room or other upgraded room'''. Sometimes, you’ll need to call-in to take advantage of the opportunity to book an upgraded room.</li>
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<li>'''The simplest approach is to have one person stick to a smaller number of cards'''. Every two years, they are eligible for a total of 5 personal cards. As long as you sign up for the Southwest Business card first, you can get the Southwest personal card, as well as four other personal cards over every two year period. The other person doesn’t have to worry about the sign-up limit, and can sign up for as many cards as they want.  </li>
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<li>'''You’ll get the most value from your points at a hotel chain’s cheapest and most expensive hotels'''. The required points for staying at Category 1 or Category 2 hotels can be ridiculously low. Obviously, the cash rates for these lower category hotels also tend to be low, but the relative point cost is even lower. Bloggers are happy to point out that 95,000 Hilton points will get you a single night at one of Hilton’s most expensive hotels, or nineteen nights at one of their Category 1 hotels. Of course, most of the time, you won’t have an opportunity to stay at a Category 1 or Category 2 hotel unless you are visiting a very inexpensive (usually international) destination. {{Link|Low Category Hotels}}.</li>
 
 
 
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At the opposite end of the spectrum, the room rates at the most expensive hotels in the chain can be extremely high, sometimes over $1000 per night, giving you a very good return your award points. There is a fixed upper limit to the number of points required for a free hotel night, but there is no upper limit to the cash price of the hotel room. Of course, the real value you receive is based on what you would have actually paid to stay at the hotel, not the necessarily the hotel’s listed price.
 
 
 
<li>'''Don't let your points expire'''. With most hotel programs, if there is no activity in your account for 12 to 36 months, you can lose your points. Fortunately, you usually don't need to spend a night in a hotel to keep your points alive. Any activity that earns or spends points is usually enough to keep an account alive. There are typically a bunch of ways to easily earn or spend a few points with a partner. {{Link|point expiration}}.</li>
 
  
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<li>'''The skip-a-year method'''. Under this approach, you get all the credit cards which are most important to you, including the Southwest Airlines cards, during the first year. That way, you can be sure to get all the cards you want for your core credit card collection, and collect all the best signup offers. Then, you stop signing up for new credit cards. A year later, your Southwest pass will expire, but you won’t be able to immediately re-qualify. Then, about two years after you finished your initial burst of sign-up activity, you’ll back under the limit, and will be able to apply for the Southwest Airlines cards again. Depending on how quickly you acquired the other cards you want, you may only need to live without the pass for 12-18 months.</li>
 
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<li>'''If you are “pre-approved” in-branch, you will usually get approved for the card, even if you are over 5/24'''. You need to ask your banker to see if you are pre-approved for any cards, and fill out the application in the branch. Just be aware that there isn’t a high likelihood that you will qualify for any pre-approved offers for these cards.</li>
  
<li>'''Because you have a limited supply of points, you need to be smart about when to book an award night, and when to just pay the going rate for your room'''. You don’t want to use up all your points on free hotel nights, where you are only getting a low value per point; and not have enough to be able to use them later, when you could get more value. At the same time, you don’t want to hold onto your points forever, passing up free hotel rooms, while you forever seek out the highest possible redemption rates.</li>
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<li>'''If you have a more significant business, you may be able to get approved for additional cards, even if you are over the limit'''. You will need to have your own “Business Relationship Manager”, and fill out a paper-based application form. For this to work, you usually need to be doing a significant amount of business-related banking with Chase.</li>  
  
<li>'''We recommend converting the required number of points into an “award room rate”'''. Your points have real value. The best way to think about whether it makes sense to book an award night is to convert the required number of points into a dollar value, and then decide whether the room is worth “spending” that much money, or whether you are better off taking advantage of another option.</li>
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<li>'''Being a Chase Private Client no longer exempts you from the rule'''. During the earlier days of the Chase 5/24 rule, Chase didn’t always apply the rule to its best customers. If you were a Chase Private Client, your application might still get approved, or you could wind up getting up approved by having your personal banker help you with the reconsideration process. While anything is possible, this is no longer working for most people.</li>
 
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<li>'''The value per point that you should use is based on your own individual circumstances, but we provide a set of values that work well for many people'''. In some cases, you might have an award opportunity that is so good that it makes sense to purchase new points, if you don’t already have enough to make an award reservation. {{Link|Hotel Point Values}}</li>  
 
  
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<li>'''If you are at 4 cards, you can probably be approved for 2 additional Chase cards, as long as you apply on the same day'''. This allows you to sneak-in an additional affected card. Apply for the card you want more first.  Then apply for an additional card later that same day.  There is a limit of 2 new Chase cards every 30 days, so you need to make sure at least 30 days have passed since you were approved for your previous card.</li>
  
<li>'''Most hotel credit cards also provide access free night certificates'''. For example, the Hyatt credit card gives you a free certificate every year you have the card, good for a free night at Category 1-4 Hyatt hotel; and the Hilton Ascend credit card gives you a free certificate, good for a weekend stay at any hotel, if you spend $15,000 during a calendar year.</li>  
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<li>'''Most business credit cards don’t count towards your Chase 5/24 limit'''. Credit card companies usually look at your personal credit report when deciding whether to give you a small-business card. But once you get the card, it usually won’t be listed among the open accounts on your personal report. So, when Chase looks at your credit report, they won’t see (most of) the small-business cards that you’ve already signed up for.  To see the best information about whether a card will show up or not, check [//www.doctorofcredit.com/which-business-credit-cards-report/ Doctor of Credit’s List].</li>
 
 
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<li>'''You get most free certificates just for holding onto the credit card each year'''. You usually don't get a free night certificate when you first sign up for the card (you just get the signup bonus). But, every year, when you renew the card, you'll get a free night certificate a few weeks later. With some credit cards, you need to spend a minimum amount of money on the card each year, in order to earn the certificate.</li>
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<li>'''You can sign up for affected Chase business cards (Ink, Southwest, United) before you hit 5/24, and they shouldn’t count against your limit'''. This lets you squeeze in extra Chase 5/24 cards. Even though Chase obviously knows that you signed up for these cards, most people report that they don’t count against the 5-card limit. This can be confusing, because you can’t get these cards if you have already gotten 5 cards, but getting this card earlier doesn’t count as one of those 5. There are some conflicting reports, so don’t be too upset, if they wind up counting against your 5-card limit</li>
  
<li>'''Some hotel certificates can be used at any of of the program's hotels, but most of them can only be used for less-expensive hotels'''. The "unlimited" certificates are a great way to get a free night at very expensive hotels that would normally cost over $500 per night. The other certificates can only be used at the program's less expensive hotels, but can still often be used for rooms that would cost $200-300 per night.</li>
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<li>'''If you are trying to stay or get back under 5/24, you don’t need to worry about signing up for (most) business cards'''. As soon as you drop below 5 personal cards in the last 24 months, you are re-eligible to get another Chase 5/24 card. To repeat, you can get as many business card as you want, from almost any bank, without affecting your Chase 5/24 status. </li>  
  
<li>'''The main downside of hotel certificates, is that they usually expire after a single year'''. If you get too many certificates, you might not have a good opportunity to use them all.</li>  
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<li>'''To increase your flexibility of signing up for Chase offers, you focus on business cards first, even before getting all the affected Chase cards that you want'''. Since business cards generally won't be listed on your credit report, you'll stay under the 5/24 limit. This allows you to sign-up for one of the affected Chase cards if a particularly good opportunity comes along; or if your plans change. Until you've started running out of business credit cards to apply to, or you need more than one or two non-Chase personal cards for other reasons, you can postpone getting the personal cards from Chase (or any other bank). </li>
 
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<li>'''If Chase cards are extremely important to you, you can use a one-year-on, two-years-off strategy'''. With this approach, you go crazy with credit cards sign-ups, and then go close to cold-turkey for two years. At the end of your two-year abstinence, you can sign-up for up to a set of Chase cards again, then a bunch of other credit cards, and then possibly go cold-turkey again.</li>
  
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'''The other way to get free night certificates is through hotel promotions'''. For example, Marriott will give any new member a free night certificate, if they stay two times during the first few months of their membership. To take advantage of this promotion, you NEED to sign-up for your membership through the promotion page. {{Link|New Marriott Member}}
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Another easy way to get a free night certificate is via the [//www.slh.com/ Small Luxury Hotels of the World] program. New members can earn a free night certificate after they book their first paid stay. {{Link|SLH Free Night}}.
 
 
 
'''Throughout the year, several hotel companies will run promotions along the lines of "stay 2 nights and earn a free night"''' (sometimes you have to stay 3 times). This can be an excellent way to get free hotel nights, especially because you can often earn the certificate by staying at inexpensive hotels, and then use the certificate to stay at a more expensive property. {{Link|Hotel Promotions}}
 
  
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Chase has some of the best travel and reward credit cards available. However, they have an approval policy that can make it hard to get many of these cards.

Chase won't approve your credit card application, regardless of your credit score or income, if you’ve already signed up for 5 new credit cards, during the last 24 months.

They don’t just count cards you received from Chase. They count all the (personal) cards you’ve received from any credit card company, and even include cards for which you were simply added as an authorized user. This is widely referred to as the Chase “5/24” rule.


Because of the Chase 5/24 rule, you need to get certain Chase cards first

If you are following our advice, you are about to start applying for a set of new credit cards—to take advantage of their travel benefits, signup bonuses, and/or reward-earning rates. Once you hit the 5 card limit, you won’t be able to be approved for any of the Chase cards that are affected by the “5/24” rule.

As a result, we recommend that everyone sign up for these Chase cards first, and only after hitting the limit, continue on to other cards.

For example, if you’ve gotten two new cards in the past two years, you’ve still got room for three of the Chase cards that are affected by this rule. If you haven’t signed up for any new cards, you’ve got room for five. Keep in mind, that you can only apply for two of these cards in any 30-day period, but you will probably want to go slower than that.

Once you’ve hit the 5 card limit, double-check to see if you have any cards that you acquired nearly two years ago. If you do, you can wait a couple of months, get back under the 5 card limit, and apply for an additional affected card(s). If you want to know the exact number of newer cards you have on record, you can check your credit report.

Our recommended strategy

We can’t stress this enough: The Chase cards have such good signup offers (and in many cases, ongoing benefits), that you don’t want to unnecessarily lose the opportunity to obtain them. Before you get any almost any other non-business credit cards, you should get as many of the affected Chase cards as you can. The only exception is you really want another card, such as the Altitude Reserve Card or Capital One Venture Card that is very hard to get once you've started signing up for other cards.

The 5/24 Rule is Coming to More Cards

According to current rumors, Chase is planning to eventually apply the 5/24 rule to all of their credit cards (not just the card that are currently affected by the rule). As more cards are affected, the prioritization of which cards to get will change. We will update this guide as the list of affected cards changes.

Step 1: Apply for any “critical” Chase 5/24 cards

The 5/24 rule doesn’t affect every Chase card. However, it affects most of their more attractive cards, specifically all their Ultimate Rewards (Sapphire, Freedom, Ink), Southwest Airlines, and United Airlines cards, and the personal version of their Marriott card.

You almost certainly want to make more than one of these cards part of your core credit card collection. While we’d love to be able to just tell you which of these cards to make sure to get, the right answer for each person can be different, based on the way you travel.

If you want to get the Southwest Companion Pass, you need to prioritize signing up for (ideally two) Southwest Airline card(s). Depending on your travel patterns, the Southwest Companion Pass can be the most lucrative deal in travel hacking. It allows a second person to fly for free, on every paid and every award flight on Southwest Airlines. You can use it as many times as you like. If you are a couple, with the inclination and time to frequently jet around the country, getting the pass lets you travel at essentially half-price. On the other hand, many other travelers can’t get that much value from the pass, either because they frequently fly by themselves, or don’t have an opportunity to fly on Southwest very often.

For many people, the only realistic way to get the pass is by signing up for (ideally two) Southwest Airlines credit cards. Signup bonuses can vary, but are typically around 40-60,000 points. If you apply for two cards, and earn their signup bonuses, you’ll be near (or over) the number of points that entitles you to the pass. You’ll also be earning points worth around $3,200 of Southwest Airline flights—$1,600 for you to buy tickets, with $1,600 worth of free tickets for your companion. Get 2 for 1 Travel with the Southwest Airline Companion Pass.

If you want to pursue this strategy, you (or your partner) need to have room for a Chase 5/24 card. You are only supposed to be able to have one of the personal versions of the Southwest Airlines card at any one time (and only earn one signup bonus every two years). As a result, the easiest approach, if you qualify, is to signup for the business version of the card, and then one of the personal versions. However, some people have reported being able to sign up for two different personal versions of the Southwest card on the same day, and earning the signup bonuses from both cards. A third, and less desirable option, is to only sign up for only one card, and try to earn the rest of the points in other ways. All three approaches only require a single Chase 5/24 slot.

If you frequently fly United, you’ll want to make sure to get the United card, to get access to free checked bags and other benefits. If you fly on United a lot, and you check bags, you can save some serious cash by getting and keeping the United credit card—it lets you and a companion avoid the fee on your first checked bag.  It is also useful for people who frequently fly United, because cardholders get increased availability for both “anytime” and “saver” award redemptions.

If you are entitled to a small business card, you probably want to get one or both of the Ink Preferred and Ink Cash cards. If you have any size business, you are entitled to sign up for small business cards, as well as personal cards. This is true even if you have another full-time job, or haven’t made any money yet. Chase offers some of the best options. The Ink Preferred card earns 3x points on travel, shipping, telecom services, and advertising. When used alongside a Sapphire or Ink Preferred card, the Ink Cash card earns 5x points on telecom services and office supply stores. Unlock Extra Reward Points with Business Credit Cards.

The good news here, is that while you can't get these cards if you are above the 5/24 limit, getting either or both these cards doesn't block your ability to get additional affected cards, because (as business cards) they don't count against the limit of five cards. But, you still need to make sure to apply for these before you hit the 5/24 limit.

Almost everyone should get the Sapphire Reserve and one of the Chase Unlimited cards, to earn the highest reward rates on much of their spending. These cards work together to earn the most valuable rewards on travel and restaurant spending, and for any spending that doesn’t fit into a bonus category. Most people will want the Freedom Unlimited card. But, if you are entitled to business cards, and willing to use one for your everyday spending, the Ink Unlimited card is the better option, and won't take up an additional slot. Get a Great General Purpose Reward Card and Use It for All of Your Spending.

You’ll also get valuable travel benefits from the Sapphire Reserve card, like airport lounge access and primary rental car insurance. Which Premium Reward Card is Right for You?

If you have room for these two cards, you should almost certainly get them before moving on.

The Chase “Freedom” card is interesting, but you are probably better off getting another card instead. The “Freedom” card is a different card than the “Freedom Unlimited”. It earns 5x points on purchases made in a set of categories that change every quarter; which is an incredible earning rate, since the points are worth around 1.7 cents each. These rewards, however, are capped at $1,500 of spending per quarter, so you can earn up to 30,000 points per year. It can take a bit of effort to use this card effectively, and you are probably better off just signing up for different Chase card instead, and just collecting the signup bonus. Then, you can always convert that card to a Freedom card later. Earn 5-10% in Rewards with Rotating Category Cards.

If you really want to maximize the number of Marriott / SPG free night certificates each year, you'll want to prioritize the Marriott card. Every year, after your anniversary, it provides a certificate that can be used for room nights that would cost 35,000 points per night. However, you can get these certificates from several other cards that wouldn't take up a Chase 5/24 slot, such as the SPG card, SPG business card, SPG luxury card, and Marriott business card. But, if you want to maximize the number of certificates you earn each year, you would want this card as well. In general, we would recommend using your slots for likely more valuable other options.

This will typically add up to 1-4 personal cards, and potentially a bunch of Chase business cards.

Step 2: If (somehow) you haven’t reached the limit yet, apply for the affected Chase cards with the highest signup bonuses

After you get any of the affected Chase cards, that you want to make a part of your core credit card collection, you will often be out of space for any additional Chase “5/24” cards. However, if you do have some space leftover, you should apply for whichever of the remaining affected Chase cards have the best signup offers. If you start signing up for other cards instead, you won’t be able to go back, and get these excellent signup bonuses later.

This list shows the “normal” signup bonuses for each card. Promotions are sometimes available, which may temporarily make one of the cards a more attractive option. Promotional Credit Card Offers.

Ink Preferred: 80,000 Ultimate Reward points. This is the most valuable standard signup offer available from Chase. If you qualify for a small-business card, it should be your first choice after getting your must-have Chase cards, even if you don’t value its extra benefits. Requires $5,000 initial spend (over 3 months). $95 annual fee.

Ink Unlimited: 50,000 Ultimate Reward points. Chase advertises the signup bonus as $500, but you'll actually receive 50,000 Ultimate Reward points. If you have the Sapphire Reserve, Sapphire Preferred, or Ink Preferred card, you can transfer these points to airline and hotel partners, or get more than 1 cent per point when you use them to purchase travel through Chase. Requires $3,000 initial spend. No annual fee.

Sapphire Preferred: 50,000 Ultimate Reward points. This is the best pure signup bonus from any of their personal cards. Unlike the Sapphire Reserve, there is no first-year annual fee, and you can get an extra 5,000 points by adding an authorized cardholder.

However, you can no longer have both this card and the Sapphire Reserve at the same time, so if you wanted the Sapphire Reserve for its ongoing benefits, you'll need to pass on the Sapphire Preferred's signup bonus.

50,000 Ultimate Reward points are worth $600-750 when redeemed like cash, $750-1000 (or more) when redeemed for hotels, and potentially much more when redeemed for flights. To earn the bonus, you'll need to spend $4,000 in the first three months.

Sapphire Reserve: 50,000 Ultimate Reward points. Since you can't collect the signup bonuses from both Sapphire cards, if you want the added benefits of the Sapphire Reserve card, you'll need to "settle" for only 50,000 points, rather than getting some additional points, with a lower out-of-pocket expense with the Sapphire Preferred card. That said, some people have reported that if you sign up for both the Sapphire Reserve and the Sapphire Preferred on the same day, you can get approved for both cards, and earn both signup bonuses.

Southwest Business: 60,000 Southwest Airlines points. These points are valued at $840. $3,000 initial spending requirement. $99 annual fee.

Marriott: 100,000 Marriott points. These points are valued at $700 and can easily be used for Marriott / SPG hotel rooms or converted into up to 41,666 airline miles with a larger number of different frequent flyer programs. $3,000 initial spending requirement in the first 3 months. $95 annual fee. If you qualify for small business cards, you can get the business version of this card, without taking up one of your slots. But since the business version isn't affected by the Chase 5/24 rule, you could get it later, as well.

Southwest Personal: 40,000 Southwest points. If you fly Southwest periodically, this works out to about $600 towards flight purchases. The Plus card is a better deal with a $69 annual fee, versus $99, and the same $1,000 initial spending requirement (in first 3 months). Like the Sapphire cards, you are only supposed to have one of the personal Southwest airlines cards at a time, and can only earn one bonus every 24 months. However, some people have reported being able to sign up for both cards in the same day, and earn both signup bonuses.

United Explorer: 40,000 United miles. You can use these on a variety of partner airlines, even if you don’t fly United. So, they are more flexible than Southwest Points, but you will need to find available awards space first You need to spend $1,000 in the first 3 months. The annual fee is $95, but it is waived the first year, and if you are only getting it for the signup bonus, you won’t keep it longer than that. If you qualify for small business cards, you can get the business version of this card, without taking up one of your slots. (But, once you hit the limit, you won't get approved for the business version of the card.)

Step 3: Fit in the best remaining “Perks” cards

After you’ve hit the limit for your Chase “5/24 cards”, you are ready to get any unaffected cards, from Chase or other credit card companies, that you want to make part of your core credit card collection.

The only exception would be for a potential travel benefit that is extremely valuable to you. For example, if you could save hundreds of dollars with the Citi Prestige's 4th night free benefit, by getting the card earlier, it may be worth missing out on one of your potential Chase 5/24 slots. You have to trade off the value of having access to the benefit, while you are still under the 5/24 limit, versus the value of being able to get an additional valuable Chase card or signup bonus.

Step 4: Collect the best remaining “sign-up” bonuses

Then, you can continue to get additional cards, just to take advantage of their signup bonuses. The Best Credit Card Signup Bonuses.

Avoiding Other Chase Cards Once You've Signed Up for a Lot of Cards

While many of Chase's best cards are affected by the Chase 5/24 cards, some of its other cards, such as the Hyatt, IHG, and British Airways cards, are not. As a result, you can sign up for these other cards after you've hit the 5/24 limit.

However, if you've been signing up for lots of cards in a relatively short period of time (across all of the credit card companies), in order to collect a lot of signup bonuses, there is some risk in trying to sign up for one of these other Chase cards. As part of processing your application, there is a small risk that Chase will decide that your large number of new cards and/or inquiries makes you a risk, and they will cancel all of your existing cards. This hasn't happened to many people, but it has happened to some.

To play it safe, if you want a couple of these cards, get them before you've signed up for many other cards, and don't try to sign up for every possible Chase card as fast as you can. Then, don't apply for new Chase cards, unless you wind up slowing down your credit card applications in the future.

Strategies to continue qualifying for the Southwest Companion Pass

If you qualify for a Southwest companion pass, by signing up for your Southwest Airline cards towards the beginning of the year, you will have access to the pass for almost two years. The pass is good till the end of the year following when you qualify for it. When the pass expires, you are going to want to re-qualify. But to do that, you’ll need to be under the Chase 5/24 limit, so that you can reapply for the cards.

  • The simplest approach is to have one person stick to a smaller number of cards. Every two years, they are eligible for a total of 5 personal cards. As long as you sign up for the Southwest Business card first, you can get the Southwest personal card, as well as four other personal cards over every two year period. The other person doesn’t have to worry about the sign-up limit, and can sign up for as many cards as they want.  
  • The skip-a-year method. Under this approach, you get all the credit cards which are most important to you, including the Southwest Airlines cards, during the first year. That way, you can be sure to get all the cards you want for your core credit card collection, and collect all the best signup offers. Then, you stop signing up for new credit cards. A year later, your Southwest pass will expire, but you won’t be able to immediately re-qualify. Then, about two years after you finished your initial burst of sign-up activity, you’ll back under the limit, and will be able to apply for the Southwest Airlines cards again. Depending on how quickly you acquired the other cards you want, you may only need to live without the pass for 12-18 months.

Possibilities for bypassing the rule

While is almost impossible to get approved for the affected cards, if you are over the 5/24 limit, it is not completely impossible.

  • If you are “pre-approved” in-branch, you will usually get approved for the card, even if you are over 5/24. You need to ask your banker to see if you are pre-approved for any cards, and fill out the application in the branch. Just be aware that there isn’t a high likelihood that you will qualify for any pre-approved offers for these cards.
  • If you have a more significant business, you may be able to get approved for additional cards, even if you are over the limit. You will need to have your own “Business Relationship Manager”, and fill out a paper-based application form. For this to work, you usually need to be doing a significant amount of business-related banking with Chase.
  • Being a Chase Private Client no longer exempts you from the rule. During the earlier days of the Chase 5/24 rule, Chase didn’t always apply the rule to its best customers. If you were a Chase Private Client, your application might still get approved, or you could wind up getting up approved by having your personal banker help you with the reconsideration process. While anything is possible, this is no longer working for most people.

Advanced 5/24 strategies

Our basic approach to the Chase 5/24 rule is simple. Sign up for as many affected cards as you can, move onto other cards, and don’t look back.

Until Chase gets rids of the policy, or you slow-down, you won’t be getting any additional affected cards. But, if you are willing to deal with some complexity, you can optimize this further.  

  • If you are at 4 cards, you can probably be approved for 2 additional Chase cards, as long as you apply on the same day. This allows you to sneak-in an additional affected card. Apply for the card you want more first.  Then apply for an additional card later that same day.  There is a limit of 2 new Chase cards every 30 days, so you need to make sure at least 30 days have passed since you were approved for your previous card.
  • Most business credit cards don’t count towards your Chase 5/24 limit. Credit card companies usually look at your personal credit report when deciding whether to give you a small-business card. But once you get the card, it usually won’t be listed among the open accounts on your personal report. So, when Chase looks at your credit report, they won’t see (most of) the small-business cards that you’ve already signed up for.  To see the best information about whether a card will show up or not, check Doctor of Credit’s List.
    • You can sign up for affected Chase business cards (Ink, Southwest, United) before you hit 5/24, and they shouldn’t count against your limit. This lets you squeeze in extra Chase 5/24 cards. Even though Chase obviously knows that you signed up for these cards, most people report that they don’t count against the 5-card limit. This can be confusing, because you can’t get these cards if you have already gotten 5 cards, but getting this card earlier doesn’t count as one of those 5. There are some conflicting reports, so don’t be too upset, if they wind up counting against your 5-card limit
    • If you are trying to stay or get back under 5/24, you don’t need to worry about signing up for (most) business cards. As soon as you drop below 5 personal cards in the last 24 months, you are re-eligible to get another Chase 5/24 card. To repeat, you can get as many business card as you want, from almost any bank, without affecting your Chase 5/24 status.
    • To increase your flexibility of signing up for Chase offers, you focus on business cards first, even before getting all the affected Chase cards that you want. Since business cards generally won't be listed on your credit report, you'll stay under the 5/24 limit. This allows you to sign-up for one of the affected Chase cards if a particularly good opportunity comes along; or if your plans change. Until you've started running out of business credit cards to apply to, or you need more than one or two non-Chase personal cards for other reasons, you can postpone getting the personal cards from Chase (or any other bank).
  • If Chase cards are extremely important to you, you can use a one-year-on, two-years-off strategy. With this approach, you go crazy with credit cards sign-ups, and then go close to cold-turkey for two years. At the end of your two-year abstinence, you can sign-up for up to a set of Chase cards again, then a bunch of other credit cards, and then possibly go cold-turkey again.
  • During the two “down years”, you can always sign-up for a particularly amazing or useful card. You’ll still get under the 5-card limit around the same time. You just will have room for one less Chase card, when you do. And, you can still sign-up for business cards the entire time.

    Also, there is no hard and fast rule about how long your active period should be. You could limit it to six months, so you can get Chase cards every 2.5 years; or you can lengthen it out to 2 years, and wait to get Chase cards every four years.

  • It MAY still be possible to earn the signup bonuses for both versions of the Sapphire card and/or both personal versions of the Southwest Airline cards. Chase's official rule is that you can only have one Sapphire card and one personal Southwest Airline card at any one time, and can only earn one Sapphire card bonsu every 48 months, and one personal Southwest card bonus every 24 months. However, some people have reported being able to sign up for both Sapphire or both Southwest cards on the same day, and earn the bonuses from both cards.
  • You are still subject to Chase's 2/30 rule, so make sure you haven't signed up for any Chase cards in the last month. According to an excellent post on Reddit, wait to get approved for the first card (if you aren't immediately approved called the reconsideration line at 888-270-2127), then apply for the second card in a different browser. The post suggests "starting early in the day, on a non-holiday weekday".




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