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ThankYou Rewards is a valuable credit card program. You can easily earn points from signup bonuses, and then redeem your points to get free tickets from a set of useful frequent flyer program partners. It isn’t as good of a program as Ultimate Rewards or Membership Rewards, but it is still a program that you are going to want to eventually take advantage of.
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Along with Ultimate Rewards and Membership Rewards, ThankYou Rewards is one of the three big bank-run rewards programs where you can convert your credit card points into miles with your choice of a number of different frequent flyer programs. You can also get good value using your points for hotels in the Choice hotel program.
 
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ThankYou Rewards is the least valuable of the big three “transferable” points programs, with the weakest set of partner frequent flyer programs, no good options for redemptions other than award tickets, the fewest cards for earning signup bonuses, and the most restrictive rules for holding onto your points when you want to cancel your card.  
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ThankYou Rewards is probably the least valuable of the big three “transferable” points programs. It has arguably the weakest set of participating frequent flyer programs, the fewest cards for earning signup bonuses, and annoying rules for holding onto your points when you want to cancel your card.  
  
Nevertheless, you’ll still get great value by collecting their signup bonuses, and using your points for free airplane tickets. Even if you don’t want to mess with finding awards space, you can still use your points, at 1-1.25 cents each, to purchase travel through Citibank’s website. So a 50,000 point signup bonus is still worth at least $500-625, and often considerably more.  
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On the other hand, if you are planning on transferring your points to frequent flyer programs, Citibank's credit cards have the most lucrative "earning rates" of any program.
  
Many people will wind up earning ThankYou points as a side benefit of getting the Citi Prestige card for its one-of-a-kind {{Link|4th night free|4<sup>th</sup> night free benefit}}, or as part of collecting the most valuable credit card signup offers. Starting in January 2019, many people will want to take advantage of the Citi Prestige's new 5x reward rate on all of their their airfare and restaurant spending.
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And even if you don't think ThankYou Rewards is quite as good as the other two programs, you can still get great value by collecting their signup bonuses and using your points for free airplane tickets.
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Even if you don’t want to mess with finding awards space, you can still use your points, at 1 or more cents each, to purchase travel through Citibank’s website or on a 2 for 1 basis to book hotel nights through Choice. So a 60,000 point signup bonus is still worth at least $600-660 in cash and often considerably more.  
  
 
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=== Airline transfer partners ===
 
=== Airline transfer partners ===
  
'''Points usually take 1-2 days to transfer to partners'''. However, points transfer instantly to Flying Blue and JetBlue, and transfers can take longer with Etihad and Thai.  
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'''Point transfer are almost instant to about half of their partners and can take a couple of days to most of the others'''. Transfers to Aeromexico, Air France / KLM Flying Blue, Avianca, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Etihad, JetBlue, and Virgin Atlantic are almost instant. Transfers to EVA, Malaysia, Qantas, Qatar, and Turkish take a couple of days. Transfers to Thai can take up to a week.  
  
'''Citibank occasionally run promotions where you’ll get a better-than-normal rate for transferring your points to a specific partner program during the promotional period'''.  {{Link|Transfer Bonuses}}.
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'''Citibank occasionally run promotions where you’ll get a better-than-normal rate for transferring your points to a specific partner program during the promotional period'''.  See {{Link|Transfer Bonuses}} for more information or visit Frequent Miler’s [//frequentmiler.boardingarea.com/current-point-transfer-bonuses/ Current Transfer Bonuses page] for a list of current promotions.
 
   
 
   
 
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Singapore, Flying Blue, Cathay Pacific, and Avianca are good frequent flyer programs, but they also are partners with other credit card programs.  Unlike Ultimate Rewards and Membership Rewards, ThankYou rewards doesn’t have a partner that helps avoid fuel surcharges on Star Alliance or SkyTeam airlines, and doesn’t partner with any of the big US airlines. 
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Turkish Airlines can be a pain to deal with, but has some incredible award rates for domestic, Hawaii, and Mexico travel. And they don't partner with the other bank programs.  
  
JetBlue operates a fixed-value points program, so you can get around 1.3 - 1.5 cents per point, purchasing any tickets, without having to worry about award availability.  
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Singapore, Flying Blue, Cathay Pacific, and Avianca are good frequent flyer programs, but they also are partners with Ultimate Rewards and/or Membership Rewards.  Unlike Ultimate Rewards and Membership Rewards, ThankYou Rewards doesn’t partner with any of the big US airlines and doesn’t have a partner that helps avoid fuel surcharges on Star Alliance or SkyTeam. 
  
Turkish Airlines offers some interesting award opportunities, but the ThankYou program’s other unique transfer partners are generally not particularly useful.  
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JetBlue operates a fixed-value points program, so you can receive around 1.3 - 1.5 cents per point when you purchase tickets, without having to worry about award availability.  
  
Remember that you can use miles from any of these programs to book awards with any of that program’s partner airlines. So, you can transfer your ThankYou points to Singapore Airlines, and then use the Singapore miles to fly United, any of the two dozen or so other airlines that are part of the Star Alliance, or any other of Singapore Airline’s airline partners. With all the partnerships, you can redeem your ThankYou points for flights in over 100 airlines.
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Remember that you can use miles from any of these programs to book awards with any of that program’s partner airlines. So you can transfer your ThankYou points to Singapore Airlines and then use the Singapore miles to fly United, any of the two dozen or so other airlines that are part of the Star Alliance, or any of Singapore Airline’s other partners. With all the programs and partnerships, you can redeem your ThankYou points for flights on almost 100 airlines.
  
 
=== Hotel transfer partners ===
 
=== Hotel transfer partners ===
  
'''The typical value that you can get from many types of hotel points is well under 1 cent per point'''. It will rarely make sense to transfer your points to a hotel partner.  
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2 Choice points are worth about {{Value|Choice|2}} cents. That's decent value for your ThankYou points, and you can easily get more value per point on many Choice hotel redemptions. When you get an opportunity to make a high-value Choice redmeption, most people will be better off transferring their ThankYou points, rather than purchasing Choice points for .8 cents each using the Cash & Points trick. Every time you can find a good redemption, you are essentially getting 1.6 cents in value from using your ThankYou points rather than purchasing Choice points.
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Don't forget that you can also use Choice points to book many of the fancy hotels in the Preferred Resorts and Hotel program. {{Link|choice preferred}}.
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1.5 Hilton points are only worth about {{Value|Hilton|1.5}} cents. That is even less than what you can get by "cashing out" your points.  
  
 
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=== Cashing out your points ===
 
=== Cashing out your points ===
  
'''If you don’t want to mess around with frequent flyer tickets, your best option is to purchase travel through the Citi Travel Center'''. As of now, if you have the Citi Prestige or Premier cards, you'll get 1.25 cents per point. In September 2019, the rate for the Prestige card will drop to 1 cent point. It is unclear whether the rate will drop for the Premier version as well. If it doesn't, and you have both cards, you can transfer your Prestige points to your Premier account and take advantage of the higher rate.  
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If you link a Citi Rewards+ card to your account, you'll get a 10% rebate on the first 100,000 points you redeem each year. This provides an 11% boost to every redemption option. For example, you'd get 1.11 frequent flyer miles for each point or 1.11 cents per point in statement credits (instead of 1 mile or 1 cent).
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'''You can cash out your ThankYou points for at least 1 cent each'''. You'll typically receive more value if you can use your points for frequent flyer tickets, but if you find that you can never find good opportunities, you can always just "cash out" your points.
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<li>'''If you have an opportunity to fly Jet Blue, you can always get decent value from your points'''. They operate a fixed-value frequent flyer program where the number of miles you need is based roughly on the price of the ticket. You get around 1.2 - 1.5 cents per mile on pretty much every flight, without having to worry about award availability.</li>
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<li>'''If you have the Citi Premier (or Prestige) Card, you can convert your points to directly to cash'''. You'll receive 1 cent per point. This is more convenient than buying gift cards or travel. You've got two options. You can redeem increments as small as $10 directly to your credit card statement ([//www.thankyou.com/tyProductDetailStmtCredit.htm?productId=7000SCR link]) or you can redeem in $50 increments and receive as a check in a week or two ([//www.thankyou.com/tyProductDetail.htm?productId=7000CR&src=TYUSENG link]).</li>
  
While we wouldn’t recommend booking hotels this way, you can easily redeem your points by paying for airfare, car rentals, or cruises.  
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<li>'''You can buy gift cards (at up to 1.2 cents each)'''. You'll typically receive around 1 cent per point, so you are usually off just directly cashing out. They often have sales where you can purchase certain brand's cards for even less, but there is no way to see a list. You'll need to click through different brands to check their pricing. A wide variety of popular brands is available, but you can't buy Amazon cards. [//www.thankyou.com//gcLanding.htm Gift card page].</li>
  
'''Alternatively, you could use your points for JetBlue tickets'''. JetBlue operates a fixed-value reward program, where you'll can use your points, at a value of around 1.3 - 1.5 cents each, to purchase any of their tickets, without worrying about award availability.
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If you can't find cards you are interested in, you can convert your ThankYou points to Shop Your Way Points which can then be used to purchase a different set of useful cards.
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<li>'''You can purchase travel through the Citi Travel Center'''. But this isn't as good of an option as just cashing out your points. There are advantages to buying your travel on other websites. For example, if you are booking a hotel, you'll almost certainly be able to find a cheaper rate on the hotel's own website or one of a number of other hotel booking options. Furthermore, Citibank reservations are considered 3<sup>rd</sup> party reservations, so you won't be entitled to participate in the hotel's own loyalty program. In addition, you won't receive valuable credit card points on these travel purchases. </li>
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=== ThankYou Reward credit cards ===
 
=== ThankYou Reward credit cards ===
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|60,000
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(no longer available for new signups)
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3x airfare, hotels, and online travel agencies
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|3x hotel and air travel
 
  
2x dining and entertainment
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3x groceries
|$100-200
 
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|{{Card|CitiPrestige|short}}
 
  
(Starting in 2019)
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3x gas
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|5x airfare and restaurants
 
  
3x cruises
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|$100-$250
 
 
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3x gas, parking, public transportation
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2x dining and entertainment
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|$95, waived first year
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|3x online retail and travel purchases
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2x AT&T
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The points you earn from the Citi Preferred and the AT&T cards can’t normally be transferred to frequent flyer programs. However, if you have the Citi Prestige or Premier cards, you can temporarily transfer your points to the account associated with that card, and then onto one of the airline partners.
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The points you earn from the Double Cash, Custom Cash, Citi Reward+, and the AT&T cards can’t normally be transferred to frequent flyer programs. However, if you have the Citi Premier Card (or discontinued Citi Prestige Card), you can temporarily transfer your points to the account associated with that card and then onto one of Citibank's airline partners.  
 
 
Because you can receive the Citi Prestige’s travel credit every calendar year, it is possible to receive up to $500 in airfare credits during the first year you have the card, which covers the $450 annual fee.
 
  
 
=== Collecting multiple signup bonuses ===
 
=== Collecting multiple signup bonuses ===
  
 
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<li>'''You can earn at least one ThankYou point signup bonus every 24 months'''. You can only earn the signup bonus on a Premier, Preferred, or Rewards+ cards,  f you haven't opened or closed any of these cards in the past 24 months. For example, getting or closing a Rewards+ Card blocks you from earning a bonus on the Premier Card for next 24 months.  However, while closing a card resets the clock, converting a card should not. You can convert to almost any Citibank card, but you'll usually want to convert to a Reward+ or Custom Cash Card to keep access to any ThankYou points that are still associated with the card.</li>
  
<li>'''These cards don't always offer signup bonuses'''. Sometimes they have bonuses in the 50,000 point range, sometimes they don't. With the possible exception of the prioritizing the Citi Prestige card to start taking advantage of the 4<sup>th</sup> night free benefit, you should wait to get started until you can get a nice bonus.</li>
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Even though they can earn ThankYou points, the AT&T Access, Custom Cash, and Double Cash cards don't count as part of the same "family" in terms of getting signup bonuses. Opening and closing them has no affect on your eligibility for the other ThankYou cards. You should be able to collect bonuses on these other cards (if any) every 24 months.  
 
 
<li>'''You need to spread out your applications'''. With Citibank, you can only earn a signup bonus, if you haven’t opened or closed a card from the same family in the past 24 months. So, if you get the Prestige, Premier or Preferred cards, you’ll need to wait 24 months before you can get a signup bonus for another one of these cards. The AT&T Access card is considered a separate category, so getting this card doesn’t affect the bonuses from the other cards.</li>
 
  
<li>'''If you want to hold onto the Citi Prestige card, you can’t periodically cancel and re-apply'''. You may want to hold onto the Citi Prestige card for its 4<sup>th</sup> night free and airport lounge benefits, and its high reward rates on travel, dining, and entertainment purchases. If so, there is no good way to repeatedly receive the signup bonus. If you cancel the card, you’ll need to wait two full years before you can get it again.</li>
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<li>'''Be careful about cancelling your cards'''. If you cancel a ThankYou card, you will only have 60 days to use any associated points, even if you still have another ThankYou card still open. In addition, you will reset the clock for earning a new bonus. If you no longer want the card, convert it to a Rewards+ card. If you have an extra Rewards+ card and you've already spent all the points you've earned with the account, cancel it right after applying for a new ThankYou card. That way, you won't need to wait more than the same 24 months before your next bonus.</li>  
  
<li>'''If you are only interested in collecting a signup bonus for one of these cards, you can’t just cancel at the end of the first year'''. Normally, you’d want to cancel the card to avoid paying an additional annual fee. However, if you cancel the card, you’ll reset the 24-month clock for another card.</li>
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<li>'''If you are collecting signup bonuses, you should try to collect the Premier bonus every two years'''. Even if you want to hold onto the Premier Card, you can convert it to a Reward+ or Custom Cash Card and then apply for a new one.</li>  
  
<li>'''You can collect a bonus (on the Citi Premier or Prestige card) every two years'''. If you want to make the Citi Prestige card part of your core credit card collection, get it first. Two years later, get the Premier Card. Then just before the annual fee is due, downgrade the Premier card to the Preferred version. About a year later, you can apply for the Premier card again, and cancel your Preferred card. If you don’t care about holding onto the Citi Prestige card, you can do the same thing, but sign up for whichever card has the higher signup bonus each time. </li>
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<li>'''Avoid earning the signup bonus on the Rewards+ card'''. It will block you from earning a more lucrative bonus from the Premier Card. Either wait to get one until it is time to get rid of one of your other ThankYou cards or apply for it a couple of weeks after you apply for the Premier Card (and make sure you don't earn the signup bonus on it before you earn the bonus on the other card).</li>  
 
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=== Bonus category opportunities ===
 
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'''Earning ThankYou points on your spending is primarily interesting for people who are comfortable using their points for frequent flyer tickets'''. While you can cash out your points for 1 cent each, they are much more valuable when you transfer them to frequent flyer programs.
  
 
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<li>'''The Citi Prestige and Premier cards have nearly the same bonus categories'''. Interestingly, the less-expensive Premier card offers an extended range in the travel category, including various transportation options, and even gas and parking. Nevertheless, it probably doesn’t make sense to keep both cards. There are better ways to spend another $95 (or more) per year. If you can take advantage of the 4<sup>th</sup> night free benefit and/or you need the airport lounge membership, most people would prefer the Prestige card. Otherwise, you might as well earn bonus rewards from a broader range of purchases, and pay a lower fee, for the Premier card.</li>  
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<li>'''If you have the Citi Premier Card (or Citi Prestige Card), you can convert points from the Double Cash card to airline miles'''. This makes the Double Cash card the most rewarding general-purpose card other than the Amex Blue Business Plus card.</li>
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<li>'''The Citi Premier card is the most well-rounded bonus category card available'''. For $95, you earn 3x transferable points on all of the major bonus categories: travel, restaurants, groceries, and gas. However, bonus points on travel are are only available for airfare, online travel agencies, and hotels. While you can earn more valuable rewards in specific categories with some other cards, the Premier and Double Cash combination is the most straightforward way to optimize the number of frequent flyer miles you earn from your spending, especially if you aren't willing and able to get business cards.</li>
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<li>'''If you still have it, the discontinued Citi Prestige card boosts your travel and restaurant rewards even higher'''. It earns an extra 2x points on restaurants, airfare, and online travel agencies (and an extra point on cruises). However, if you have the Amex Platinum or Sapphire Reserve card, you may want to use those for your airfare spending, in order to take advantage of their travel insurance benefits.</li>
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<li>'''The Custom Cash Card provide another boost to your rewards by allowing you to earn extra rewards in one category per month'''. If you are able to max out the $500 cap each month, you'll earn 30,000 bonus points per year (or 18,000 more than you would earn by using your Double Cash card instead). As with points you earn from the Premier (and Prestige) Card, your redemption can be boosted by having a Rewards+ card. </li>
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<li>'''The AT&T Access card's bonus rewards on online shopping is no longer particularly interesting'''. You can earn the same 2x points with the Double Cash card, which also earns the 2x rewards on all other spending.</li>  
  
<li>'''The AT&T Access card is a nice addition, which can earn bonus reward points on almost anything you buy online'''. The older annual-fee-based AT&T Access More card earns even higher rates, so it is usually worth getting the regular version, and then calling to “convert” it to the Access More version.  </li>
 
 
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=== Point transfers and expiration ===
 
=== Point transfers and expiration ===
  
''You can transfer your points to anyone’s account, however the points will then expire in 90 days''. The number of points you can transfer in, or receive each year is capped at 100,000 points.  You can only transfer points to a partner loyalty account that matches the name on your ThankYou account. However, you can transfer points to someone else’s ThankYou account, and they can transfer them to their own frequent flyer account.
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<li>'''You can transfer your ThankYou points to anyone’s account, but any unused points will expire 90 days later'''. The number of points you can transfer or receive each year is capped at 100,000 points.</li>   
  
'''Rather than having a centralized ThankYou account, you have separate accounts for each credit card''' (or bank account). You can combine your accounts. But, if you do, the points are still associated with the credit card, or bank account, that earned them. If you close an account, you'll lose any unused points that were earned with that card, 60 days later.
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<li>'''You can only transfer points to a frequent flyer account that matches the name on your ThankYou account'''. However, you can always transfer points to someone else’s ThankYou account and they can transfer them to their own frequent flyer account.</li>
  
'''If you don’t want to lose your points when you cancel your card, you either need to use them, transfer them to the frequent flyer program where you expect to get the most benefit later, or convert your card to the no-annual-fee Citi Preferred card'''. If you convert your card, and you don’t have another Citi Prestige / Premier card (in your household), you’ll lose your ability to transfer to partner loyalty programs. 
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<li>'''Rather than having a centralized ThankYou account, you start out having separate accounts for each credit card''' (or bank account). You can combine your accounts. But, if you do, the points are still associated with the credit card or bank account that earned them. If you close an account, you'll lose any unused points that were earned with that card, 60 days later.</li>
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<li>'''If you don’t want to lose your points when you cancel your card, you either need to use them, transfer them to the frequent flyer program where you expect to get the most benefit later, or convert your card to the no-annual-fee Citi Reward+ card'''. If you convert your card, and you don’t have another Citi Premier (or Prestige) Card (in your household), you’ll lose your ability to transfer to partner loyalty programs. </li>
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=== Advantages of Citibank banking relationships ===
 
=== Advantages of Citibank banking relationships ===
 
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<li>'''Citibank’s more valued banking customers get some advantages with the Citi Prestige card'''. People who have a Citigold checking account receive a $100 discount on the annual-fee, and earn a bonus of .15 points per dollar on all their Citi Prestige spending every year. You’ll see this expressed as a 15% bonus, but you only get the bonus on the base points, not the extra points you get from the bonus categories. Similar benefits are given to “Global Clients”, and employees of certain companies. If you are a “Citi Private Bank” customer, the earning bonus goes up to .25 points per dollar.</li>
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<li>'''Citigold customers get an additional $145 discount on the discontinued Citi Prestige Card's annual fee'''. This drops the effective annual fee to $100 per year. This requires $200,000 in combined assets with Citibank, but this includes assets in a brokerage account. If you have a substantial amount of existing retirement or investment accounts that you wouldn’t mind moving over to Citi, you can pay a lower fee on your Prestige Card.</li>
 
 
Opening a Citigold checking account is easy, but it comes with a $30 monthly fee. To avoid this fee, you need $200,000 in combined assets with Citibank. If you have a substantial amount of existing retirement or investment accounts that you wouldn’t mind moving over to Citi, you can earn more rewards and pay a lower fee.  
 
  
It has been reported online that if you were a Citigold customer, and you are not any longer, you may still get the lower annual fee. This means it is possible to only pay the maintenance fee for a couple of months, or only transfer your assets on a temporary basis, and still get the added benefits.  
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It has been reported online that if you were a Citigold customer and you are not any longer, you may still get the lower annual fee.  
  
<li>'''You can also earn ThankYou points directly from your banking activity'''. With the Citigold account, you can earn up to 1,600 points per month, depending on how many different Citibank banking and lending programs you use. With a regular Citibank account, you’ll earn less from each program, with a maximum of 1,000 points per month.  You can also periodically earn large numbers of points as a banking account signup bonus. Be aware that unlike the points you earn with credit cards, these points will expire 3 years after the end of the year when you earned them, and can’t be transferred to other people. In addition, they can’t be directly transferred to partner loyalty programs. If you want to use them for award tickets, you’ll need to temporarily transfer them to your Citi Prestige / Premier account first. </li>
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<li>'''You can also earn ThankYou points directly from your banking activity'''. With the Citigold account, you can earn up to 1,600 points per month, depending on how many different Citibank banking and lending programs you use. With a regular Citibank account, you’ll earn less from each program, with a maximum of 1,000 points per month.  You can also periodically earn large numbers of points as a banking account signup bonus. Be aware that unlike the points you earn with credit cards, these points will expire 3 years after the end of the year when you earned them and can’t be transferred to other people. In addition, they can’t be directly transferred to partner loyalty programs. If you want to use them for award tickets, you’ll need to temporarily transfer them to your Citi Prestige / Premier account first. </li>
 
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  Easily Earn Points for Free TravelIntroduction to 'Transferable' Reward Points

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Citibank’s reward program is called ThankYou Rewards. ThankYou Rewards homepage.

Along with Ultimate Rewards and Membership Rewards, ThankYou Rewards is one of the three big bank-run rewards programs where you can convert your credit card points into miles with your choice of a number of different frequent flyer programs. You can also get good value using your points for hotels in the Choice hotel program.

ThankYou Rewards is probably the least valuable of the big three “transferable” points programs. It has arguably the weakest set of participating frequent flyer programs, the fewest cards for earning signup bonuses, and annoying rules for holding onto your points when you want to cancel your card.

On the other hand, if you are planning on transferring your points to frequent flyer programs, Citibank's credit cards have the most lucrative "earning rates" of any program.

And even if you don't think ThankYou Rewards is quite as good as the other two programs, you can still get great value by collecting their signup bonuses and using your points for free airplane tickets.

Even if you don’t want to mess with finding awards space, you can still use your points, at 1 or more cents each, to purchase travel through Citibank’s website or on a 2 for 1 basis to book hotel nights through Choice. So a 60,000 point signup bonus is still worth at least $600-660 in cash and often considerably more.


Airline transfer partners

Point transfer are almost instant to about half of their partners and can take a couple of days to most of the others. Transfers to Aeromexico, Air France / KLM Flying Blue, Avianca, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Etihad, JetBlue, and Virgin Atlantic are almost instant. Transfers to EVA, Malaysia, Qantas, Qatar, and Turkish take a couple of days. Transfers to Thai can take up to a week.

Citibank occasionally run promotions where you’ll get a better-than-normal rate for transferring your points to a specific partner program during the promotional period. See Take Advantage of Transfer Bonuses to Get More Value from Your Reward Points for more information or visit Frequent Miler’s Current Transfer Bonuses page for a list of current promotions.

Star Alliance
(United)
SkyTeam
(Delta)
Oneworld
(American)
Other
Singapore (KrisFlyer) Air France / KLM (Flying Blue) American (until Nov 13) Jet Blue
Turkish Airlines
 
Aeromexico Cathay Pacific (Asia Miles) Emirates
Avianca   Qantas Virgin Atlantic
EVA Air
 
  Malaysia Etihad
Thai     Qatar
 

Turkish Airlines can be a pain to deal with, but has some incredible award rates for domestic, Hawaii, and Mexico travel. And they don't partner with the other bank programs.

Singapore, Flying Blue, Cathay Pacific, and Avianca are good frequent flyer programs, but they also are partners with Ultimate Rewards and/or Membership Rewards.  Unlike Ultimate Rewards and Membership Rewards, ThankYou Rewards doesn’t partner with any of the big US airlines and doesn’t have a partner that helps avoid fuel surcharges on Star Alliance or SkyTeam. 

JetBlue operates a fixed-value points program, so you can receive around 1.3 - 1.5 cents per point when you purchase tickets, without having to worry about award availability.

Remember that you can use miles from any of these programs to book awards with any of that program’s partner airlines. So you can transfer your ThankYou points to Singapore Airlines and then use the Singapore miles to fly United, any of the two dozen or so other airlines that are part of the Star Alliance, or any of Singapore Airline’s other partners. With all the programs and partnerships, you can redeem your ThankYou points for flights on almost 100 airlines.

Hotel transfer partners

2 Choice points are worth about 1.5 cents. That's decent value for your ThankYou points, and you can easily get more value per point on many Choice hotel redemptions. When you get an opportunity to make a high-value Choice redmeption, most people will be better off transferring their ThankYou points, rather than purchasing Choice points for .8 cents each using the Cash & Points trick. Every time you can find a good redemption, you are essentially getting 1.6 cents in value from using your ThankYou points rather than purchasing Choice points.

Don't forget that you can also use Choice points to book many of the fancy hotels in the Preferred Resorts and Hotel program. Book Independent Luxury Hotels with Choice Points.

1.5 Hilton points are only worth about 0.675 cents. That is even less than what you can get by "cashing out" your points.

Choice (1000:2000) Hilton (1000:1500)    

Cashing out your points

Extra Value from the Rewards+ Card

If you link a Citi Rewards+ card to your account, you'll get a 10% rebate on the first 100,000 points you redeem each year. This provides an 11% boost to every redemption option. For example, you'd get 1.11 frequent flyer miles for each point or 1.11 cents per point in statement credits (instead of 1 mile or 1 cent).

You can cash out your ThankYou points for at least 1 cent each. You'll typically receive more value if you can use your points for frequent flyer tickets, but if you find that you can never find good opportunities, you can always just "cash out" your points.

  • If you have an opportunity to fly Jet Blue, you can always get decent value from your points. They operate a fixed-value frequent flyer program where the number of miles you need is based roughly on the price of the ticket. You get around 1.2 - 1.5 cents per mile on pretty much every flight, without having to worry about award availability.
  • If you have the Citi Premier (or Prestige) Card, you can convert your points to directly to cash. You'll receive 1 cent per point. This is more convenient than buying gift cards or travel. You've got two options. You can redeem increments as small as $10 directly to your credit card statement (link) or you can redeem in $50 increments and receive as a check in a week or two (link).
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  • You can buy gift cards (at up to 1.2 cents each). You'll typically receive around 1 cent per point, so you are usually off just directly cashing out. They often have sales where you can purchase certain brand's cards for even less, but there is no way to see a list. You'll need to click through different brands to check their pricing. A wide variety of popular brands is available, but you can't buy Amazon cards. Gift card page.
  • If you can't find cards you are interested in, you can convert your ThankYou points to Shop Your Way Points which can then be used to purchase a different set of useful cards.

  • You can purchase travel through the Citi Travel Center. But this isn't as good of an option as just cashing out your points. There are advantages to buying your travel on other websites. For example, if you are booking a hotel, you'll almost certainly be able to find a cheaper rate on the hotel's own website or one of a number of other hotel booking options. Furthermore, Citibank reservations are considered 3rd party reservations, so you won't be entitled to participate in the hotel's own loyalty program. In addition, you won't receive valuable credit card points on these travel purchases.

ThankYou Reward credit cards

Promotional signup offers are sometimes available that are higher than the typical signup bonuses shown below.

Card Typical Signup Bonus Bonus Categories Effective Annual Fee
Citi Premier 60,000 3x restaurants

3x airfare, hotels, and online travel agencies

3x groceries

3x gas

$95, waived first year
Citi Rewards+ 15,000 Rounds up rewards to nearest 10 $0
Citi Double Cash 0 2x on all purchases $0
Citi Custom Cash 20,000 5x on top category ($500 per statement) $0
AT&T Access 10,000 2x online retail and travel purchases

2x AT&T

$0

The points you earn from the Double Cash, Custom Cash, Citi Reward+, and the AT&T cards can’t normally be transferred to frequent flyer programs. However, if you have the Citi Premier Card (or discontinued Citi Prestige Card), you can temporarily transfer your points to the account associated with that card and then onto one of Citibank's airline partners.

Collecting multiple signup bonuses

  • You can earn at least one ThankYou point signup bonus every 24 months. You can only earn the signup bonus on a Premier, Preferred, or Rewards+ cards, f you haven't opened or closed any of these cards in the past 24 months. For example, getting or closing a Rewards+ Card blocks you from earning a bonus on the Premier Card for next 24 months. However, while closing a card resets the clock, converting a card should not. You can convert to almost any Citibank card, but you'll usually want to convert to a Reward+ or Custom Cash Card to keep access to any ThankYou points that are still associated with the card.
  • Even though they can earn ThankYou points, the AT&T Access, Custom Cash, and Double Cash cards don't count as part of the same "family" in terms of getting signup bonuses. Opening and closing them has no affect on your eligibility for the other ThankYou cards. You should be able to collect bonuses on these other cards (if any) every 24 months.

  • Be careful about cancelling your cards. If you cancel a ThankYou card, you will only have 60 days to use any associated points, even if you still have another ThankYou card still open. In addition, you will reset the clock for earning a new bonus. If you no longer want the card, convert it to a Rewards+ card. If you have an extra Rewards+ card and you've already spent all the points you've earned with the account, cancel it right after applying for a new ThankYou card. That way, you won't need to wait more than the same 24 months before your next bonus.
  • If you are collecting signup bonuses, you should try to collect the Premier bonus every two years. Even if you want to hold onto the Premier Card, you can convert it to a Reward+ or Custom Cash Card and then apply for a new one.
  • Avoid earning the signup bonus on the Rewards+ card. It will block you from earning a more lucrative bonus from the Premier Card. Either wait to get one until it is time to get rid of one of your other ThankYou cards or apply for it a couple of weeks after you apply for the Premier Card (and make sure you don't earn the signup bonus on it before you earn the bonus on the other card).

Bonus category opportunities

Earning ThankYou points on your spending is primarily interesting for people who are comfortable using their points for frequent flyer tickets. While you can cash out your points for 1 cent each, they are much more valuable when you transfer them to frequent flyer programs.

  • If you have the Citi Premier Card (or Citi Prestige Card), you can convert points from the Double Cash card to airline miles. This makes the Double Cash card the most rewarding general-purpose card other than the Amex Blue Business Plus card.
  • The Citi Premier card is the most well-rounded bonus category card available. For $95, you earn 3x transferable points on all of the major bonus categories: travel, restaurants, groceries, and gas. However, bonus points on travel are are only available for airfare, online travel agencies, and hotels. While you can earn more valuable rewards in specific categories with some other cards, the Premier and Double Cash combination is the most straightforward way to optimize the number of frequent flyer miles you earn from your spending, especially if you aren't willing and able to get business cards.
  • If you still have it, the discontinued Citi Prestige card boosts your travel and restaurant rewards even higher. It earns an extra 2x points on restaurants, airfare, and online travel agencies (and an extra point on cruises). However, if you have the Amex Platinum or Sapphire Reserve card, you may want to use those for your airfare spending, in order to take advantage of their travel insurance benefits.
  • The Custom Cash Card provide another boost to your rewards by allowing you to earn extra rewards in one category per month. If you are able to max out the $500 cap each month, you'll earn 30,000 bonus points per year (or 18,000 more than you would earn by using your Double Cash card instead). As with points you earn from the Premier (and Prestige) Card, your redemption can be boosted by having a Rewards+ card.
  • The AT&T Access card's bonus rewards on online shopping is no longer particularly interesting. You can earn the same 2x points with the Double Cash card, which also earns the 2x rewards on all other spending.

Point transfers and expiration

  • You can transfer your ThankYou points to anyone’s account, but any unused points will expire 90 days later. The number of points you can transfer or receive each year is capped at 100,000 points.
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  • You can only transfer points to a frequent flyer account that matches the name on your ThankYou account. However, you can always transfer points to someone else’s ThankYou account and they can transfer them to their own frequent flyer account.
  • Rather than having a centralized ThankYou account, you start out having separate accounts for each credit card (or bank account). You can combine your accounts. But, if you do, the points are still associated with the credit card or bank account that earned them. If you close an account, you'll lose any unused points that were earned with that card, 60 days later.
  • If you don’t want to lose your points when you cancel your card, you either need to use them, transfer them to the frequent flyer program where you expect to get the most benefit later, or convert your card to the no-annual-fee Citi Reward+ card. If you convert your card, and you don’t have another Citi Premier (or Prestige) Card (in your household), you’ll lose your ability to transfer to partner loyalty programs. 

Advantages of Citibank banking relationships

  • Citigold customers get an additional $145 discount on the discontinued Citi Prestige Card's annual fee. This drops the effective annual fee to $100 per year. This requires $200,000 in combined assets with Citibank, but this includes assets in a brokerage account. If you have a substantial amount of existing retirement or investment accounts that you wouldn’t mind moving over to Citi, you can pay a lower fee on your Prestige Card.
  • It has been reported online that if you were a Citigold customer and you are not any longer, you may still get the lower annual fee.

  • You can also earn ThankYou points directly from your banking activity. With the Citigold account, you can earn up to 1,600 points per month, depending on how many different Citibank banking and lending programs you use. With a regular Citibank account, you’ll earn less from each program, with a maximum of 1,000 points per month.  You can also periodically earn large numbers of points as a banking account signup bonus. Be aware that unlike the points you earn with credit cards, these points will expire 3 years after the end of the year when you earned them and can’t be transferred to other people. In addition, they can’t be directly transferred to partner loyalty programs. If you want to use them for award tickets, you’ll need to temporarily transfer them to your Citi Prestige / Premier account first. 



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