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Using Hotwire is a great way to save significant amounts of money on hotel rooms. On Hotwire, you are not supposed to know what hotel you are getting, until after you complete your reservation. However, it is usually possible to figure out the exact hotel you are going to get, ahead of time.  
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Using Hotwire is a great way to save significant amounts of money on hotel rooms. On Hotwire, you are not supposed to know what hotel you are getting, until after you complete your reservation. However, it is usually possible to figure out the exact hotel you are going to get, before you book.  
  
 
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=== How to uncover the name of a hotel on Hotwire (the easy way) ===
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=== Easy hotels ===
  
Since the end of 2017, it has become extremely easy to determine the identity of mystery hotels available through Hotwire. The "tablet" version of the Hotwire website shows you each Mystery Hotel's TripAdvsior rating with the EXACT number of TripAdvisor reviews.  
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'''It is extremely easy to uncover the name of many of Hotwire's "secret" hotels'''. When you click on the secret hotel's "What hotel will I get?" button, Hotwire will often show you the name of three possible hotels.  
  
Historically, Hotwire has hidden the exact number of reviews, and only shown a range, such as "1,001 - 2,000 reviews", so that you couldn't use the number to find a definitive match via the TripAdvisor information. And they still do in their apps, and on their PC and mobile websites. But for the time being, they don't convert to a range when you view their website on many tablet based devices.  
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The easiest way to identify the hotel is on Hotwire itself. Let's imagine you are searching for a hotel in Chicago, the 4.5-star hotel in the Magnificent Mile zone looks interesting, and you want to determine exactly what hotel it is.  
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'''Every time you close the possible hotel list and re-open it, Hotwire will show a slightly different list'''.  
  
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Simply make sure you are looking at "All Hotels", select just a single-zone using the Map (in this case "Magnificent Mile - Water Tower area"), filter down the hotel list to hotels that match the "Recommendation", "TripAdvisor" rating, and "Star Rating" of the mystery hotel, and sort by "Star Rating".  
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'''By the time you do it 2-4 times, you will notice that only a single hotel shows up every time'''.  
  
The list will now only include a small number of hotels, and you can easily find the hotel that has the same TripAdvisor information as the Mystery Hotel.  
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In this example, you'll be guaranteed to get the Fairmont Olympic, as it is the only hotel to show up every time the guaranteed list is displayed.
  
In this example, you would be getting the Sofitel Chicago Magnificent Mile for $79, rather than $197. If you're curious, the $95 4.5-star Boutique Hotel with the "perfect" TripAdvisor and Hotwire ratings is the Viceroy Chicago.  
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Unfortunately, for some hotels, Hotwire doesn't show a list of three hotels. They only show some potential hotel brands. For those hotels, you'll need to do more work.  
  
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For cities with fewer hotels, we simply filter to hotels with decent ratings, sort the list by Star Rating, and turn on/off the different zones to quickly explore all the hotel options.
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=== Harder hotels ===
  
Note that if you do try to compare to information on Hotwire to TripAdvisor itself, the number of reviews on Hotwire will be slightly lower, because it is not completely up-to-date.
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On and off over the last couple of years, Hotwire has been showing the "exact" number of user reviews for each of its hidden hotels and each of its "standard rate" hotels. As a result, you could very quickly uncover the identity of the hotel by simply matching the two listings with the exact same number of reviews (and hotel rating). To make things simpler, you could sort and filter the list, so that the secret hotel listing and the corresponding named hotel were often displayed directly adjacent to each other in the search results.
  
=== How to uncover the name of a hotel on Hotwire (the normal way) ===
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Unfortunately, Hotwire has been limiting the number of hotel results on every search, so that very few "Standard Rate" hotels are included in the results. As a result, you often can't simply locate the named hotel in Hotwire's own search results.
  
If you don't have access to the right version of the Hotwire website, or Hotwire changes their tablet website UX, you can usually identify the name of the hotel, it just requires more effort.  
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'''To find the matching hotels, you'll need to compare the Hotwire hidden hotel listings to the regular listings on another Expedia-family website'''.  
  
In the following example, we are trying to figure out the identity of the mystery hotel offer that we discussed in our main Hotwire article. It turned out to the Westin Maui. But let’s see how we could have figured out what hotel it was ahead-of-time.
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For example, here's a potentially interesting listing from our example search in Seattle that unfortunately doesn't show actual hotels when you click "What hotel will I get?".
  
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In the past (and hopefully in the future), you only needed to find the regular hotel listing on Hotwire for a 3.5 star hotel with a 4.6 rating, and exactly 1,036 user reviews. For the time being, you'll need to find it on another site. $198.
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<li>'''Determine the candidate hotels'''. The first step is to narrow down the list of possible hotels, based on the star rating and neighborhood. On Hotwire, if you click on the regular “Hotels” tab, next to the “Hot Rate Hotels” tab, you’ll switch over to their normal hotel listings.</li>
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<li>'''Search for hotels on [//www.expedia.com Expedia]''' or another Expedia family site. Search for the same dates and location as you do on Hotwire.</li>  
  
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<li>'''To make it easy to find the hotel, filter by star rating and sort by guest rating'''. You need to filter or sort by star rating in order to get them to display for each hotel. We suggest filtering by star rating so that you can sort by guest rating.</li>
 
Then, you can set the filters (on the left-hand side) to the star ratings and neighborhood the match the offer you are interested in:
 
  
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In this example, we filter by three (and three-and-a-half) star hotels. If you wanted to match a bunch of hotels, match the 5 star, 4 and 4.5 star, and 3 and 3.5 star hotels as separate groups.  
 
The main part of the page will then show a list of the potential hotels you might be getting. Just be aware that it is not a true “filter”—the list will still show hotels that don’t exactly match the neighborhood or star ratings; however, the ones that do match will be at the top. Make sure you look at the neighborhood and star rating for each hotel listing to determine which of the hotels are truly candidates for the Hotwire hotel.  
 
  
At this point, we’ve narrowed down the list of possible hotels to the Westin, the Sheraton, the Westin Villas, two different Marriott Ocean Clubs, the Honoa Kai, or the Ka’anapali Alii.
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<li>'''Open each possible hotel in its own browser tab'''. On a computer, you can click on each one, while holding down the <ctrl> key.</li>
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Then sort by guest rating and move down the listings until you find the guest rating that corresponds to the hotel. Expedia doesn't always list these strictly by rating, so you might need to check a little above and a little below the main set of hotels with matching ratings.  
  
<li>'''Eliminate the hotels that don’t match the price range, TripAdvisor rating, and bed type of the Hotwire hotel'''. When you look at the mystery hotel’s details page, you can see the TripAdvisor rating, the bed type for two-bedded rooms, the price, and the resort fee. Compare these to the information for the candidate hotels, and rule out any hotels that don’t match. As you rule out each hotel, close the corresponding tab. If it matches, keep it open.</li>
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We know that our “mystery” hotel has a crossed-out price of $324, a Trip Advisor rating of 4, over 2,000 TripAdvisor reviews, and has rooms with double-beds (and not queens). We also know that it has a resort fee of $32.
 
  
Hotwire deliberately shows a crossed-out “regular” price, and a resort fee that doesn’t exactly match their regular hotel price or the real resort fee; that would make things too easy. However, the price will be in the same ballpark, and the resort fee they display will always be a bit higher than the real resort fee. So, we are looking for a hotel with similar, but not identical prices.
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<li>'''Look for a hotel that matches the details of the hidden hotel'''. The number of reviews is usually a little higher on the main Expedia site than on Hotwire, but should be close. The actual rating number should match, but there is a small chance it won't, if has moved up or down recently.  If there is a crossed-out price on Hotwire, the price on Expedia is almost always exactly $1 or $2 higher.</li>
  
Also, Hotwire treats “Condo hotels”, “Boutique hotels” and “Resort hotels” as special categories. Therefore, we can rule out the two Marriotts, the Westin Villas, and the Honua Kai—they are all Condo hotels, and their prices are too different from the crossed-out price. We can also rule out the Ka’anapali Alii for being a Condo hotel, and the lack of availability. It also can’t be the Hyatt, as they don’t have any rooms with 2 double beds.  
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At this point, we’ve narrowed it down to the Westin or the Sheraton. Both hotels have prices and resort fees in the right ballpark, get a 4 rating on TripAdvisor, have over 2,000 TripAdvisor reviews, and have rooms with 2 double beds.  
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In our example, you can see that the Embassy Suites Pioneer Square is a good match for the $131 hotel.  
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<li>'''Now look at the amenities'''. You want to look for any less typical amenities that are listed for the mystery hotel. In this case, Hotwire mentions pets and an airport shuttle. If you search the Westin webpage, both are mentioned. If you look at the Sheraton web page, neither are listed. Voila, we are almost certainly getting the Westin—and that is indeed the identity of the mystery hotel.</li></ol>
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'''Things are a harder in the less common case where Hotwire doesn't show a crossed out price or the number of user reviews'''. In that case, you'll need to more carefully look at the hotel's exact amenities and neighborhood information in order to attempt to uncover the matching hotel.
  
 
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<li>'''[//www.bidgoggles.com/lookup-tool.php Bid Goggle]''' is a great idea. You enter your information about the hotel into their form, and they try to tell which hotel you are likely to be getting. Unfortunately, most of the times we’ve tried, it didn’t actually work.</li>
 
 
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Latest revision as of 23:31, 9 June 2021

  Save Money on All Your Travel ReservationsGet a Great Hotel Rate with Hotwire (and Other 'Opaque' Booking Tools)

Using Hotwire is a great way to save significant amounts of money on hotel rooms. On Hotwire, you are not supposed to know what hotel you are getting, until after you complete your reservation. However, it is usually possible to figure out the exact hotel you are going to get, before you book.

Sleuth.jpg

Easy hotels

It is extremely easy to uncover the name of many of Hotwire's "secret" hotels. When you click on the secret hotel's "What hotel will I get?" button, Hotwire will often show you the name of three possible hotels.

HotwirePossiblities1.png

Every time you close the possible hotel list and re-open it, Hotwire will show a slightly different list.

HotwirePossiblities2.png

By the time you do it 2-4 times, you will notice that only a single hotel shows up every time.

HotwirePossiblities3.png

In this example, you'll be guaranteed to get the Fairmont Olympic, as it is the only hotel to show up every time the guaranteed list is displayed.

Unfortunately, for some hotels, Hotwire doesn't show a list of three hotels. They only show some potential hotel brands. For those hotels, you'll need to do more work.

HotwireUnknown.png

Harder hotels

On and off over the last couple of years, Hotwire has been showing the "exact" number of user reviews for each of its hidden hotels and each of its "standard rate" hotels. As a result, you could very quickly uncover the identity of the hotel by simply matching the two listings with the exact same number of reviews (and hotel rating). To make things simpler, you could sort and filter the list, so that the secret hotel listing and the corresponding named hotel were often displayed directly adjacent to each other in the search results.

Unfortunately, Hotwire has been limiting the number of hotel results on every search, so that very few "Standard Rate" hotels are included in the results. As a result, you often can't simply locate the named hotel in Hotwire's own search results.

To find the matching hotels, you'll need to compare the Hotwire hidden hotel listings to the regular listings on another Expedia-family website.

For example, here's a potentially interesting listing from our example search in Seattle that unfortunately doesn't show actual hotels when you click "What hotel will I get?".

HotwireSeattle35.png

In the past (and hopefully in the future), you only needed to find the regular hotel listing on Hotwire for a 3.5 star hotel with a 4.6 rating, and exactly 1,036 user reviews. For the time being, you'll need to find it on another site. $198.

  • Search for hotels on Expedia or another Expedia family site. Search for the same dates and location as you do on Hotwire.
  • To make it easy to find the hotel, filter by star rating and sort by guest rating. You need to filter or sort by star rating in order to get them to display for each hotel. We suggest filtering by star rating so that you can sort by guest rating.
  • In this example, we filter by three (and three-and-a-half) star hotels. If you wanted to match a bunch of hotels, match the 5 star, 4 and 4.5 star, and 3 and 3.5 star hotels as separate groups.

    ExpediaStar.png

    Then sort by guest rating and move down the listings until you find the guest rating that corresponds to the hotel. Expedia doesn't always list these strictly by rating, so you might need to check a little above and a little below the main set of hotels with matching ratings.

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  • Look for a hotel that matches the details of the hidden hotel. The number of reviews is usually a little higher on the main Expedia site than on Hotwire, but should be close. The actual rating number should match, but there is a small chance it won't, if has moved up or down recently. If there is a crossed-out price on Hotwire, the price on Expedia is almost always exactly $1 or $2 higher.
  • Expedia35Results.png

    In our example, you can see that the Embassy Suites Pioneer Square is a good match for the $131 hotel.

Things are a harder in the less common case where Hotwire doesn't show a crossed out price or the number of user reviews. In that case, you'll need to more carefully look at the hotel's exact amenities and neighborhood information in order to attempt to uncover the matching hotel.

Some helpful websites

There are a handful of websites that try to help you identify Hotwire hotels. They can all be helpful, but unfortunately none of them are a completely reliable substitute to the more time-consuming approach described above.

  • Better Bidding is a forum where people provide information about the hotels that they wound up getting on Hotwire. They then compile a list of all the reported hotels for each “type”, “star rating”, and “location”. You can look through this list for matches—the hotel that you are likely to get will usually be listed. However, it won’t always include your hotel, the list of amenities doesn’t always exactly match, and you can’t see some of the other important clues, such as TripAdvisor information. So, while it is probably the best of these options, it isn’t totally reliable.
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  • Hotel Deals Revealed has a list in a more useful format. However, it includes fewer of the possible hotels, because less people are reporting information. It might be easier to figure out the mystery hotel, but it also is more likely that the mystery hotel simply won’t be in the list.
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Convenient tools for Priceline Express Deals

We generally recommend using Hotwire because they provide essential information about every hotel as part of their website. However, Priceline is also a major player in the “opaque” pricing space (in addition to their famous “name your own price” hotel program).

If you use Priceline, a Chrome browser extension called Hotel Canary works to automatically uncover the identity of each hotel.

Once you see a list of the Priceline hotel express deals, you simply press the hotel canary button. Then, when you position your mouse over each hotel, the extension will either identify the probable hotel, or give you a few different likely possibilities.

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